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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://nationalbankruptcyday.com/archive/cpsia-vs-science-round-3-congress-wins-by-a-ko/comment-page-1/#comment-301</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 06:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding lead-free solder-- sure, it works.  But it is much harder to use if you are hand soldering, and much harder to tell by visual inspection that you have a good solder joint-- lead-free solder doesn&#039;t look the same when used to make a joint.  

So why does this matter?  It makes it harder for kids to learn to solder and make electronic things, further destroying our nation&#039;s ability to actually be a source of innovative ideas going forward!  My cousin spent his childhood soldering together electronic kits (final project was a television set) and he grew up to be a very good electrical engineer.  Kids today are going to have a harder time doing that.

You can probably tell that I personally dislike lead-free solder.  One of my hobbies involves hand-soldering 2mm surface-mount LEDs to silver beads, and it is harder to do at the higher soldering temperatures needed for lead-free solder without overheating the LEDs.  

As for reliability of lead-free solder, I understand the jury is still out at NASA and the DoD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding lead-free solder&#8211; sure, it works.  But it is much harder to use if you are hand soldering, and much harder to tell by visual inspection that you have a good solder joint&#8211; lead-free solder doesn&#8217;t look the same when used to make a joint.  </p>
<p>So why does this matter?  It makes it harder for kids to learn to solder and make electronic things, further destroying our nation&#8217;s ability to actually be a source of innovative ideas going forward!  My cousin spent his childhood soldering together electronic kits (final project was a television set) and he grew up to be a very good electrical engineer.  Kids today are going to have a harder time doing that.</p>
<p>You can probably tell that I personally dislike lead-free solder.  One of my hobbies involves hand-soldering 2mm surface-mount LEDs to silver beads, and it is harder to do at the higher soldering temperatures needed for lead-free solder without overheating the LEDs.  </p>
<p>As for reliability of lead-free solder, I understand the jury is still out at NASA and the DoD.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 03:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I am an electrical engineer,at least that&#039;s what the diplomas say. :)

I respectfully disagree about RoHS. It has been quite successful in reducing hazardous substances in electronics on a nearly worldwide basis since 2006.

Today it is difficult to purchase a consumer electronics product that isn&#039;t compliant. Apple, Dell, Sony, Motorola, HP, Cannon, Epson, Sharp and numerous others have been making millions of RoHS products for years now without reliability issues.

Tin whiskers is a well known, researched issue that has largely been mitigated by new solder alloys like tin-silver-copper. To date there are no significant known documented failures of RoHS compliant products.

Here&#039;s a great link:

http://www.ventureoutsource.com/contract-manufacturing/benchmarks-best-practices/rohs-environment/rohs-one-year-later-the-good-news-is-the-bad-news-was-wrong

Luckily CRTs are obsolete with the advent of LCD technology, so I don&#039;t see this as an issue long term.

Thanks for your thoughtful comments, hopefully I can help clear up some common misconceptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I am an electrical engineer,at least that&#8217;s what the diplomas say. <img src='http://nationalbankruptcyday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I respectfully disagree about RoHS. It has been quite successful in reducing hazardous substances in electronics on a nearly worldwide basis since 2006.</p>
<p>Today it is difficult to purchase a consumer electronics product that isn&#8217;t compliant. Apple, Dell, Sony, Motorola, HP, Cannon, Epson, Sharp and numerous others have been making millions of RoHS products for years now without reliability issues.</p>
<p>Tin whiskers is a well known, researched issue that has largely been mitigated by new solder alloys like tin-silver-copper. To date there are no significant known documented failures of RoHS compliant products.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a great link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ventureoutsource.com/contract-manufacturing/benchmarks-best-practices/rohs-environment/rohs-one-year-later-the-good-news-is-the-bad-news-was-wrong" rel="nofollow">http://www.ventureoutsource.com/contract-manufacturing/benchmarks-best-practices/rohs-environment/rohs-one-year-later-the-good-news-is-the-bad-news-was-wrong</a></p>
<p>Luckily CRTs are obsolete with the advent of LCD technology, so I don&#8217;t see this as an issue long term.</p>
<p>Thanks for your thoughtful comments, hopefully I can help clear up some common misconceptions.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 02:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Actually there are lots of lead-free light bulbs available. They are required by law in Europe. &lt;/i&gt;

The resident electrical engineer is out of town and unable to respond but it&#039;s generally accepted that the elimination of lead via &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RoHS&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;RoHS&lt;/a&gt; has been an unmitigated disaster resulting in much shorter product life, meaning a lot less value. Here&#039;s an excerpt from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/cpsia-unit-vs-component-testing/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;i&gt;Perhaps you’re asking yourself why lead needs to be in anything at all. That was addressed best by Christopher Cleet from the Information Technology Industry Council in the panel discussion (he was a good speaker). He said (paraphrased) “it’s not that we have truck loads of lead and are looking for a place to put it, it’s that it’s needed and useful”. Take your typical TV; that screen glass is full of lead (so don’t let your kids lick it). It has to be, otherwise viewers would be exposed to radiation. Mr. Fashion-Incubator concurs saying lead solder is best. In the EU, they’ve gravitated to tin solder (RoHS). The problem with tin solder is that it’s a friendly and sociable metal and likes to hook up with tin solder nearby forming &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_whisker&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;tin whiskers&lt;/a&gt;. This will short out the unit causing failures in everything from pacemakers to video games. He adds that this will happen after your warranty is expired leaving you stuck with a lousy product.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Actually there are lots of lead-free light bulbs available. They are required by law in Europe. </i></p>
<p>The resident electrical engineer is out of town and unable to respond but it&#8217;s generally accepted that the elimination of lead via <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RoHS" rel="nofollow">RoHS</a> has been an unmitigated disaster resulting in much shorter product life, meaning a lot less value. Here&#8217;s an excerpt from <a href="http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/cpsia-unit-vs-component-testing/" rel="nofollow">here</a>:</p>
<p><i>Perhaps you’re asking yourself why lead needs to be in anything at all. That was addressed best by Christopher Cleet from the Information Technology Industry Council in the panel discussion (he was a good speaker). He said (paraphrased) “it’s not that we have truck loads of lead and are looking for a place to put it, it’s that it’s needed and useful”. Take your typical TV; that screen glass is full of lead (so don’t let your kids lick it). It has to be, otherwise viewers would be exposed to radiation. Mr. Fashion-Incubator concurs saying lead solder is best. In the EU, they’ve gravitated to tin solder (RoHS). The problem with tin solder is that it’s a friendly and sociable metal and likes to hook up with tin solder nearby forming <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_whisker" rel="nofollow">tin whiskers</a>. This will short out the unit causing failures in everything from pacemakers to video games. He adds that this will happen after your warranty is expired leaving you stuck with a lousy product.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually there are lots of lead-free light bulbs available. They are required by law in Europe. Here in the U.S. all Sylvania bulbs use lead-free solder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually there are lots of lead-free light bulbs available. They are required by law in Europe. Here in the U.S. all Sylvania bulbs use lead-free solder.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love you Rick. Thank you for fighting this ludicrous law!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love you Rick. Thank you for fighting this ludicrous law!</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Andy: the CPSC faq at http://www.cpsc.gov/about/cpsia/faq/101faq.html#chemistrysets seems to imply that the light bulb mentioned above would be exempt. If you&#039;re reading this, Richard, who is the unnamed manufacturer? I worry that many companies are not taking the time to find out the details of this legislation and that false information is being unintentionally spread...

I&#039;m concerned about the burden the CPSIA places on small manufacturers, but I think knowing more about which products are exempt from testing is just as important as pointing out the flaws of the legislation. We need to be careful about how we talk about the CPSIA and not spread unnecessary panic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Andy: the CPSC faq at <a href="http://www.cpsc.gov/about/cpsia/faq/101faq.html#chemistrysets" rel="nofollow">http://www.cpsc.gov/about/cpsia/faq/101faq.html#chemistrysets</a> seems to imply that the light bulb mentioned above would be exempt. If you&#8217;re reading this, Richard, who is the unnamed manufacturer? I worry that many companies are not taking the time to find out the details of this legislation and that false information is being unintentionally spread&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m concerned about the burden the CPSIA places on small manufacturers, but I think knowing more about which products are exempt from testing is just as important as pointing out the flaws of the legislation. We need to be careful about how we talk about the CPSIA and not spread unnecessary panic.</p>
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		<title>By: Theresa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Richard for the information and your insight! 
I hope Congress hears you loud and clear!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Richard for the information and your insight!<br />
I hope Congress hears you loud and clear!!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an exception to the CPSIA for children&#039;s educational products- why doesnt this (or some of the other things you&#039;ve listed here) fall into that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an exception to the CPSIA for children&#8217;s educational products- why doesnt this (or some of the other things you&#8217;ve listed here) fall into that?</p>
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